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Another small preview of a roughed-in layout and cleaned animation for Showdown. It took me a WEEK to clean this shot, and the inconsistency towards the end really bugged me. In addition, there's the problem that in order to complete the film on time in this style, I would need to restrict the frame rate.

I wanted to try out how it would look if the lines were not rough and moving, but I found that my original vision of having the "living lines" worked out better and was also easier to work with.

So here's an alternative approach, but one that I scrapped for a different style!

Showdown is an animated short I am producing at SCAD.
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De1in Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2011  Student
So how long did this take you in total? He looks like he has a lot to express. Good luck with the final Showdown!! XD

I also estimate 20 frames but I'm not sure ._. I had to count very fast.
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Robo-Shark Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
I don't remember how many hours went into this, but it just took way too long to do my whole film this way |D Thank you so much!
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Myrcury-Art Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2011  Professional General Artist
I don't know anything about what is required of you for this, but I've gotta say, this looks marvelous so far!! :D
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Robo-Shark Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you so much! Since posting this, I've redone this scene in the new style, and it came out well I think :)
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saiyamewome Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
not bad, that's actually good animation so far ;P
that sure took ya a long to clean, must of been hard work for ya =o
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Robo-Shark Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Hah thanks, it was too much hard work considering the time frame I have to complete it, hence why I had to scrap it XD
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MafyPrime Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Student Filmographer
Ah its very cool I love the feel without the colors I've seen them with but because this is animated you still get that cold dark feeling like somethings gonna happen

Cool,hopefully you can get it done the way you wanted to ,seems like SO MUCH WORK GUWWAH
can't believe it took a week woooow!
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Robo-Shark Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you! It should look more interesting in color hahah, I'm glad it's still kind of foreboding.

Thanks, it'll get done or bust, can't graduate if I don't finish it next quarter! |D I just hope my professor likes what I have so far.
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MafyPrime Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2011  Student Filmographer
ah post it here or ur live journal I'd love to see the finish product some day :3
oh gosh! well get crackin on it good luck! :3
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HectorNY Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Hobbyist
This one looks as he's saying, "Might as well get it over with."
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Robo-Shark Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
That's exactly what I was going for! I'm really glad it reads well, thank you!
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HectorNY Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Hobbyist
You're welcome.
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ShadowKiwi Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011   Digital Artist
I see what you mean, and flash animating can be pretty challenging ^^ I think giving it living lines makes it look less cheap- certainly there are good counterparts to it, but mostly the tweening ends up looking bad in my opinion.. I think this way it resembles traditional or nonflash animating. Really nice to see this finished! :lol: Will it be done for SCAD by the end of the year?
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Robo-Shark Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
It's tough to animate the "old fashioned way" with digital software! I find it's much easier when done on paper.

I'm actually using Toonboom Animate for these but putting them in the Flash section, since it exports Flash files XD I've used Flash though too and it's fairly similar, just with a tougher workflow for me. Thanks for your input, I agree that the tweening doesn't look great in this version compared to the other, it just feels inconsistent since some frames hold for much longer than others.

I considered using puppeting techniques for this, but I'm not that familiar with them, and I've noticed they are used so often. Only a few artists really make them look great, most others just look cheap, and it's overused.

Yep, I have to complete it next quarter, and then I have time to polish it in Post Production in the winter!
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ShadowKiwi Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011   Digital Artist
Oh I agree ^^ It still is pretty nice to animate on paper, but digital always has that colorful finished look.

Toonbeam, I've never heard of that. But, I don't do much animating, haha.. I think what you're doing here is good, redrawing it every time. It has a nice feel. I know it can be frustrating, inconsistencies and all that. But I think you can work it ^^

Sweet! And sorry about not making a background last time : )
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Robo-Shark Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
I'm a big traditional buff, but digital sure is easier to edit and it does look more eye catching. XD

It's the software used at Disney as well as many other larger studios, it's not as widely used as Flash but it caters more towards animators. I can work with both, but if asked for a preference, I like Toonboom's setup more. Thanks, I enjoy the animation process, and I like the old way of doing it!
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ShadowKiwi Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011   Digital Artist
^^ Oh really! Disney uses it!
Yeah, I think it's important to preserve some of that organic style. They tend to have more character ^^
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StellasStar Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011
WOW! *splodes*
This is very well made! I can see where it took you a week to clean up!
I actually like BOTH styles, but I will admit the "rough" line one does look REALLY unique and creative!
So if its easier AND nice looking, I would do that one! :D :heart:
I truly can not WAIT to see how this short comes out!
It looks wonderful!
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Robo-Shark Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you! It was frustrating how many times I redid the lines XD;

I like both too, and if I had the time, I would have liked to have tried to do it in a cleaner style. It's sooo much work unfortunately.

Thanks! I'm crossing my fingers it goes over well in class!
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